Rick Warren says the obvious and calls it profundity

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I saw this graphic floating around the Internet that reads,

“Our culture has accepted two huge lies. The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”

Let’s examine this profound and lofty statement.

Rick Warren said that our culture has accepted two HUGE lies.

HUGE.

Lies.

These aren’t small lies. These are gargantuan.

What are examples of big lies? How about your doctor keeping a cancer diagnosis from you? How about a politician lying about his income? How about, a spouse not telling his or her partner about an affair?

Huge lies are NOT, “I’m going to take the trash out in a second, honey,” and then fail to do it.

These examples of lies are up there with lying to spouses and to the voting public.

These lies Rick Warren has for us are far, far worse.

These are HUGE. 

Rick Warren’s first HUGE lie is: “[I]f you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them.”

This is patently absurd. I disagree with a lot of people’s lifestyles. And I don’t hate or fear them. Not one bit. There are things my loved ones have done. There are things I’ve done, I’m sure. And people don’t hate me, nor I them.

I have friends who snort coke, drink way too much, are promiscuous in their relationships, spend way too much on extravagant items. Those are lifestyle choices that I don’t like, but I don’t hate or fear them.

I might even love them so much that I would tell them that science says X about the consequences of their lifestyle. And I might drift away from their friendship if I see that their lifestyle choice isn’t something I want to associate myself with. It has nothing to do with hate.

While they are being selfish or destructive, I’ll be selfish and productive. Done.

Perhaps Warren is referencing that outsiders view Christians who oppose abortion or homosexuality as hateful.

The hate or fear becomes a part of the process when people like Rick Warren claim that certain lifestyles — without a shred of evidence — result in an eternity of hellfire. The fear and hate come from establishing a hierarchy of sins, legislating these sins in politics, and likely being as guilty of these “sins” as the person who does them publicly.

So lie number one is simply culturally-specific to his point of view.

Ooooo, good one.

What’s behind door number two, Rick? 

“The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do.”

I disagree with a lot of things my lovely wife believes and does. You and she may disagree with a lot of things that I “believe” or don’t believe. I may disagree with a lot of things my friends or family does.

Does that

Warren’s declaration at the end of the statement is the lie. “You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate.”

Warren clearly doesn’t have friends or family. Because if he’s not making compromises, he’s not keeping friends or family close.

This is the evil of Christianity’s leadership 

Relationships ARE compromise.

Compassion is compromise!

Relationships are compromise. If they weren’t, we’d all be locked up in a room waiting for death to consume us.

If I forced Tina to stop thinking something higher is in control of the universe, we’d have a rift between us.

If every time I hung out with my family and they nagged me about atheism or if I nagged them about theism, it would create a barrier.

Warren’s own Jesus exemplified the idea that Compassion = Compromise. Supposedly, his death for your sins is the embodiment of compassion for sins that the “perfect” Jesus never committed. He LOVES you without condition. He loved you to the cross for sins he never committed.

That’s MORE than compromise. That’s going out of one’s way to support and love someone.

Rick Warren is a liar. A huge one. He doesn’t know what he believes. He doesn’t believe that Christ’s love and compassion is the same as compromising convictions, that’s for sure. He thinks he’s a leader? A leader of what?

And if you believe the bullshit that emits from his pen or his lips, you’re a sucker.

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25 thoughts on “Rick Warren says the obvious and calls it profundity

  1. I have friends who snort coke, drink way too much, are promiscuous in their relationships, spend way too much on extravagant items. Those are lifestyle choices that I don’t like, but I don’t hate or fear them.

    I told you that in confidence. Geez. Keep secrets much?

  2. The author’s name of this article isn’t even listed here, and therefore cannot be addressed directly, for which I am disappointed.

    As the saying goes, “When ya spot it, ya got it!” It appears that the author of this article has the EXACT problem that he is ACCUSING Rick Warren of having. That is, hatred and bigotry.

    We all know that in any healthy relationship, differences of opinion can be respected, without a total meltdown. Mature individuals observe the differences, acknowledge them, and continue on with life. The differences are not hate/malice, or a phobia; they are simply differences of opinion, based on world view or experience.

    Clearly people can have differences of opinion and still love one another. It happens all of the time. If this were not the case, humanity would already have ceased to exist… it would have self destructed long before now.

    1. I’m not sure how you missed who the author of this post is.

      It’s interesting, though, that you accuse me of hate and bigotry then validate and agree with the crux of my post.

      Which is it? I’m a hateful, bigot or your reading comprehension suffers?

      — Jeremy Witteveen

  3. I took it more as a thought provoked for close-minded individuals that hate someone simply because of a society label. I just didn’t think it applied to those intelligent enough to know that compromise is essential if you want to have relationships with people different from yourself.

    Even though I don’t agree with Rick Warren I do like this statement. And if it makes people stop & think and stop hating, why not spread it around?

    1. You might be right. This quote has been going around in atheist circles as a positive one.

      I might have to pull the context card on this and say that knowing Rick Warren, those positive notes were not his intentions behind this quote.

      But you’re certainly welcome to interpret it within that framework.

  4. Your article agrees with what Rick Warren said. It seems like you are refuting the ideas because you do not like Rick Warren’s beliefs. As a result, your post creates confusion and by the end it seemed like you were beating a dead horse out of your dislike towards Rick Warren as opposed to extending commentary about the specific quote.

    You refute that you should not hate others because of their lifestyle by saying there are people you get along with and associate with despite their lifestyle.

    Then you refute that people can be friends even if they disagree with each others lifestyle by saying you are friends with people even though you do not like their lifestyle.

    Finally, you refute that you do not have to compromise convictions to be compassionate by saying you, staying firm in your convictions as an atheist, are compassionate towards theists (Obviously, if people compromised their convictions, they would easily lose their identity)

    In conclusion, this creates more confusion than useful conversation.

    1. You wasted your time with this response.

      My headline summed up your words more succinctly. What you lack in reading comprehension, you makeup in … let’s say … dead-horse beating.

      1. QUESTION: That same article mentioned that you ate an Iftar dinner with Orange County Muslims. What is that all about?

        WARREN: It’s called being polite and a good neighbor. For years, we have invited Muslim friends to attend our Easter and Christmas services and they have graciously attended year after year. Some have even celebrated our family’s personal Christmas service in our home. So when they have a potluck when their month of fasting ends, we go to their party. It’s a Jesus thing. The Pharisees criticized him as “the friend of sinners” because Jesus ate dinner with people they disapproved of. By the way, one of my dear friends is a Jewish Rabbi and my family has celebrated Passover at his home, and he attends our Christmas and Easter services. I wish more Christians would reach out in love like Jesus.

        QUESTION: Why do you think people who call themselves Christians sometimes say the most hateful things about Muslims?

        WARREN: Well, some of those folks probably aren’t really Christians. 1 John 4:20 says, “If anyone says, ‘I love God,’ yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.” And 1 John 2:9 says “Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.” I am not allowed by Jesus to hate anyone. Our culture has accepted two huge lies: The first is that if you disagree with someone’s lifestyle, you must fear them or hate them. The second is that to love someone means you agree with everything they believe or do. Both are nonsense. You don’t have to compromise convictions to be compassionate……(context. ..context. ….context)!!!!!!!!!

      2. It’s important to point out here, dumbass, that Warren explains that there are two “huge” lies.

        These aren’t “huge” lies.

        These are cultural ambiguities stemming from the “Christian” idea set.

        No one thinks these are lies except (!) people who believe like Warren.

        The rest of us understand that the lies are merely bottom feeding believers who aren’t capable to think for themselves.

    2. No waste of time at all, this reply is spot on. This article is perhaps one of the best examples of coognitive dissonance that I have seen on the internet. When one starts to read it, the writer is clearly agreeing with Warren and the article strangly pretends that he isn’t. I think this author totally misses the message of Warren or, as you say, he simply just doesn’t like the author and is trying to find fault with the statement and in that effort ends up oddly agreeing with it.

  5. I personerally don’t hate any religion,what evey they do ,,,,,,,,,,exceptions could b applied ,as we grow in our socity as a child we go school and we see every religion kid is in our class,,we talk, laugh,play,all together,@ that time we don’t see which religion other frnd is,,,,

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